Ryan Davies Finds Hot Technology Produces Solar Power for Half the Price
Source: The Energy Report (11/5/09)
A shining example of using the sun's energy to heat, cool and light the homes and businesses of a desert community in California is poised to power up next year. It's based on a technology that uses refraction rather than reflection to produce solar power on a utility-size scale at half the price of photovoltaic technology. For this exclusive interview, The Energy Report caught up with Ryan Davies, CEO of REDCO, a renewable energy development company building the very first commercial plant that uses the technology.
The Energy Report: Let's begin with a little thumbnail of REDCO—what your company is and what you do.
Ryan Davies: Sure. REDCO—the Renewable Energy Development Company—is a developer of renewable energy projects. We have a particular focus on wind and solar. We look for good pieces of land that have a strong wind and/or good solar resource and that have good proximity to transmission lines. Sometimes we do joint-venture projects, sometimes we sell projects; but, for the most part, we like to own and operate our own developments.
TER: What brought you to the solar arena? Why do you see solar as a great place for investors to be or for energy to be created?
RD: We have an abundance of sun, and our ability to harness the sun's energy and create electricity is a pretty remarkable opportunity. The primary demand for power generation or power consumption is during the peak hours of the day; it's called peak power. That's when usage of electricity is the highest and also when the cost of the electricity is the highest. So utility companies are constantly looking for ways to increase that peak supply of power.
Because it's an intermittent power source—wind, sun, etc.—solar is not the answer. But it is an important part of the answer. It doesn't provide 24-hour-a-day, 7-day-a-week power. What is unique about solar is not only is it renewable but it also provides power during the peak periods of the day, when the sun is shining, which is very valuable to utility companies.
TER: The government is encouraging utilities and individuals to use solar. Could you talk a little bit about that, particularly the cities or utilities?
RD: A number of different mandates and incentive programs are sponsored by both federal and state governments. The most common of which is called a "renewable portfolio standard"—the acronym is RPS. There is not a federal RPS at this point, but I believe about 24 or 25 states have adopted their own programs. Much of the growth in demand stems from these mandates.
With an RPS, a certain percentage of power produced must come from a renewable resource. So the utility companies have to either go out and buy green power on the open market or build their own facilities. Every state is a little bit different. In California, for example, the goal is to have 33% of power come from a renewable resource by 2020, and that initiative, that mandate, kicks in next year, starting at 10%. Then it increases by about 2.5%, 2.7% per year until it reaches that 33% mark.
TER: And aren't some consumer incentives offered as well?
RD: Yes, from an individual standpoint, there are federal and state tax incentives and benefits if you include solar in your development or if you retrofit a business or home to include solar.
TER: You're involved with two solar projects for Needles, California. Could you describe how that's working?
RD: At REDCO we really pride ourselves in being technology agnostic; in other words, as we see our opportunity as a developer is to find a good piece of land with a strong resource, find the right technology for that development, put the entitlements and financing in place, build a project and sell the power. As we did our due diligence and looked for the right solar technology, we came across International Automated Systems, Inc. (IAUS:PK) and have become quite enamored with their technology. It's very different from the conventional, traditional solar that you see in the marketplace today.
TER: How does it differ?
RD: The majority of the solar system installations in the market today are photovoltaic, however the largest commercial utility solar power plant is CSP—it's a reflective, mirror-type technology where the sun's rays hit a reflective surface and bounce off into a collector shield above it. The IAS technology is very different in that they've created a technology using simpler, less expensive materials. It's easier and cheaper to mass-produce. Another unique attribute is that it is a refractive technology, wherein the sun's light passes through the panels instead off of them. They collect heat, which then heats up a water source. The hot water turns into the steam that propels a turbine. The turbine spins a generator, which creates electricity.
As a result, it's quite different from conventional solar and it's much cheaper—quite a bit less expensive to purchase. We're in the process of building the very first utility size commercial plant using IAS technology. All of our engineering reports and research data indicate that this technology will be significantly more efficient than PV. We're quite excited about it.
TER: Is this a patented technology that IAS has?
RD: Patents have been issued, and several are pending that cover various facets from proprietary panels to the bladeless steam turbine as well as other aspects of the technology and process.
TER: What are some of the companies in the flat panel technology?
RD: Suntech Power Holdings Co., Ltd. (NYSE:STP), First Solar, Inc. (NASDAQ:FSLR) and BrightSource Energy, Inc. are a few. A number of companies that have good technology are doing very well. But it's almost an apples-and-oranges scenario in the solar market because IAS is quite a bit different. In our estimation it's much better alternative for utility-scale use. In addition to being less expensive to build and more efficient, it has a longer life and requires less maintenance. Plus, this technology has a lot fewer restrictions. For example, the way it's constructed and developed, you can put it on various types of terrain. You don't need costly grading plans prior to construction. It's easier to permit because it has a very low impact on the environment. We see a number of advantages.
TER: You say it's less expensive. Could you give us a relative cost comparison between IAS and photovoltaic technology?
RD: When you look at costs, you have to look at the entire system—not just the solar panel but the overall development, including the turbine and all of a project's components. From a turnkey perspective, the majority of the PV technologies sell somewhere in the range of $4 to $6 per watt. That equates to about $4,000 to $6,000 per kilowatt or $4 million to $6 million per megawatt. In most cases, the IAS technology is about half the cost.
TER: Wow! And that's total cost, when you boil everything down?
RD: When you compare all aspects of the development, yes.
TER: What's the timeline on your Needles project with IAS?
RD: Phase 1 is a 5-megawatt project. We have executed a long-term Power Purchase Agreement (PPA) with the Needles Public Utilities Authority, wherein they have agreed to purchase the power we generate for 20 years. We're in the permitting stage and hope to be in construction early next year.
TER: Once you get the permit, how long will it take to complete the project and when will the city of Needles be able to start using that electricity?
RD: We're looking at construction period of about four to five months, and then maybe a month beyond that for testing before we go online. So, all in, it's a five- to six-month process from the beginning of construction to when we begin selling the power. It's a relatively short construction time.
TER: The key catalyst, then, is getting that permit
RD: That's correct. We don't have any reason to believe that the permit will not be issued. We have completed all of our studies—archeological, geotechnical, hydrology, water quality, drainage, environmental, biological. It's just a matter of working through the normal bureaucratic process. We hope to have the project completely operational sometime next year.
TER: And that would lead to your second project. Beyond having the 5-megawatt plant up and running, do any conditions or milestones need to be reached to facilitate that?
RD: No, not at all. In fact, we are working on not just one other project but several. There will be a second phase in Needles but the power purchaser is a different entity. We will begin that project shortly after the 5-megawatt project is completed. We're already working on all of the permitting for the project; we just haven't made any formal announcements yet.
TER: Assuming that the first 5-megawatts goes according to plan, what do you think this means for International Automated Systems?
RD: Once the IAS technology is proven, it will show the marketplace its potential and I anticipate that would be quite good for the company. Having the ability to introduce low-cost solar to the marketplace in an innovative way could be a real boon.
TER: A lot of other utilities would be looking at this, especially in light of the fact that government mandates may be requiring up to one-third of their power either purchased or produced green within 10 years.
RD: That's correct. And this really is a utility play. A lot of other technologies are better-suited for a shingled, residential home. IAS is not that, and from that standpoint, you're absolutely correct. I am sure the utilities are eyeballing this and are very aware of it. Obviously, their intention is to not only to buy as much solar and as much renewable as they can, but to do it as cost effectively as possible. So there's a tremendous upside for IAS if it can produce renewable energy 40% to 50% cheaper than its competition.
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No stranger to new technology and emerging businesses, REDCO founder and CEO Ryan Davies has accumulated executive experience from entrepreneurial, nonprofit, community and political arenas. After earning his bachelor's degree in political science and business management at Brigham Young University, he managed Envision Utah, a progressive nonprofit organization that received a number of national awards for its development of a detailed 20-year growth strategy for Utah. He also assembled and directed a diverse partnership of 120-plus business, government, religious, civic and community leaders to help develop these strategies.
Ryan was one of the founding members of Found, Inc. where he helped raise nearly $50 million in venture capital, manage business development, form strategic relationships and provide strategic direction. The company, which grew from the 1997 original founding team to a multi-site enterprise of more 150 employees with offices in Salt Lake City, San Francisco and Chicago, was sold to CRS Retail Systems for $110 million. In 2001, he established an environmental commodities brokerage firm, O2 Blue, managing strategic relationships with industry and governmental regulatory agencies and creating technology solutions for the environmental commodity marketplace, and eventually merged with Prebon Energy, one of the world's largest OTC commodity brokerage firms. During his O2 Blue days, Ryan helped develop and implement the "Olympic Cleaner and Greener" program for the 2002 Winter Olympics. The program permanently retired more than 500,000 tons per year of emissions to offset pollution from the Olympic Games—and made the 2002 Winter Olympics the cleanest games in history.
Ryan has been active with the Oquirrh Institute, a nonprofit public policy organization whose mission is to create innovative market-based solutions for technology and the environment, and is an active member of his community. Ryan was elected to the Draper City Council in 2001 and during his tenure, CNN named his community one of the top 100 places to live (2003). (Draper, population 30,000, is located in the South Mountains about 20 miles south of Salt Lake City.)
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